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Poster: elbow1126 Date: Jan 21, 2011 6:15am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: ? for all; DEAD biz model related...

I definitely think they love to perform. I think they are doing the GD cover band thing because they make more money performing that way then what Mickey and Bill are doing.

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Poster: micah6vs8 Date: Jan 21, 2011 6:25am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: ? for all; DEAD biz model related...

How many PhD's to there kids need? 4, 5, 6? It's more then money for BW & PL to be playing music, working like a dog, with that tour schedule (22 days out of 34 for March/April, 10 S.O. so far). That's a lot of effort, no matter the number of attendants lining the way.
Maybe the employees sucked them dry till the '05 exodus and now it's money time. But, they have a huge catalog to collect checks from. Some big time life insurance and frankly, this is macabre, but when an artist dies their sales spike big time. Many dead 'stars' make more money now then they did while they were alive. Those things combined would pay for a small college. Then, their kids can write their own diplomas in whatever they like.

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Poster: craven714 Date: Jan 21, 2011 7:13am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: ? for all; DEAD biz model related...

good point. Which of those shows will you be attending, and then walking out on? Just curious =)

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Poster: micah6vs8 Date: Jan 21, 2011 7:25am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: ? for all; DEAD biz model related...

I just found out Furthur tics are not $35, but $75 bucks a pop! Nuts!
Mrs. M. was not happy as her shows to attend on the spring tour, ahh, declined.
I am down to 1 Furthur show/year and I will not act grumpy, I will have a smile on my face and be grateful(you never know..). It's date night.
And I will have gone to see the doc beforehand to get some happy happy potion.

At GOV, Deep Banana Blackout or Further? See you at DBB shakeitupnow.

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Poster: TOOTMO Date: Jan 21, 2011 7:01am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: ? for all; DEAD biz model related...

" this is macabre, but when an artist dies their sales spike big time. Many dead 'stars' make more money now then they did while they were alive. "

There is an "old" CBS story making the rounds anew about "delebs". This guy, Cribbs, is kind of the major force. He is the one who first got James Dean's family in Iowa in the 80's some money. Until then they had no idea that anybody was even making money off of Dean. It's a pretty good article if that kind of stuff interests ya.


http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2009/09/25/60minutes/main5341253.shtml?tag=contentMain;contentBody


TOOTMO

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Poster: elbow1126 Date: Jan 21, 2011 6:44am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: ? for all; DEAD biz model related...

Recall it was Bob who brought up sending his kids to college back in 2005 when they pulled the sbds here.

Touring was how they always made money and i suspect it is what they know best. My point is that Phil and Bob, after The Dead tour, seemed to stick with the vehicle that is less interesting and more lucrative than Mickey and Bill did. They all love to perform, two are getting paid better for living in the past, thats all.

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Poster: micah6vs8 Date: Jan 21, 2011 7:13am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: ? for all; DEAD biz model related...

I think I am putting my own experience into what touring must be. But after several decades, maybe it's like going on vacation for them. And they get paid!

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Poster: robthewordsmith Date: Jan 21, 2011 6:41am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: ? for all; DEAD biz model related...

I would have thought, from a purely musical point of view, that they both had much more fulfilling outlets available to them if all they really wanted to do was to get out there and play. Ratdog (though I've never been a big fan of that band) and Phil and Friends seemed much more satisfying environments to stretch out and play in. There are number of P&F shows I'd be happy to listen to more than once, but I've never even been tempted to listen to a Furthur show all the way through.

The answer, I imagine, is that the revenue from ticket sales for Furthur far outstrips that from Ratdog and/or P&F and that's why those projects were put to one side. Although I might wish it weren't so, I'm not criticising the decision. There aren't many of us who'd take the moral high ground when the money is on the table.

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Poster: elbow1126 Date: Jan 21, 2011 6:46am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: ? for all; DEAD biz model related...

I wasn't knocking them for it, I think I was saying exactly what you were. Alas you always say it better than I. That they love to perform, they can make more money as Further or The Dead than on their own. I like the few 7 Walkers shows i have listened to, but i doubt that is anywhere close to the moneymaker that The Dead would be for Bill. Same for Mickey and whatever he is banging on these days.

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Poster: robthewordsmith Date: Jan 21, 2011 7:03am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: ? for all; DEAD biz model related...

Maybe not better, but certainly more long winded...

Am I right in thinking that the Rhythm Devils are still an ongoing concern? The shows with Keller Williams last summer are worth a dip into although I believe he's no longer in the band. I'll take quirky innovation over slavish copycatting any old day.

http://www.archive.org/details/RhythmDevils

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Poster: SomeDarkHollow Date: Jan 21, 2011 6:50am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: ? for all; DEAD biz model related...

Cheers to Billy and 7 Walkers. No way they are brining in the big bucks. I'm sure their revenue is respectable, but nothing compared to what Furthur generates. 7 Walkers is playing a music festival out here in May and I can go see them and 5 other bands for a whopping $35. Furthur is around $75 and up for just them.

Bob might be driving a nicer car, but I have a feeling Billy's blood pressure is significantly lower.

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Poster: snori Date: Jan 21, 2011 7:22am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: ? for all; DEAD biz model related...

Have you heard the NYE show SDH ? I've been listening to the this and the 30th. It takes a little while to get used to the vocals, but they are warm glow shows - more power to their elbows, and perhaps they will follow in Ratdog's pawprints for a few low key shows over here. http://www.archive.org/details/7walkers2010-12-31.m210

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Poster: SomeDarkHollow Date: Jan 21, 2011 7:39am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: ? for all; DEAD biz model related...

Agreed. I like what I've heard so far. Very much orginal takes on standards and nice originals. I'm thinking that barring an early summer in terms of temps here, I'll probably head out to see them.

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Poster: micah6vs8 Date: Jan 21, 2011 7:15am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: ? for all; DEAD biz model related...

SDH, 7 Walkers are playing small venues.

http://tinyurl.com/6xo6mca

And Billy's shot across the Furthur bow,

http://www.jambands.com/news/2010/12/02/kreutzmann-takes-a-stab-at-furthur

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Poster: SomeDarkHollow Date: Jan 21, 2011 7:36am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: ? for all; DEAD biz model related...

Oh, I was not saying anything about the size of venue. Yes they are playing a festival, but given the number of stages and bands, the actualy number of people watching them won't be that large. Certainly nothing close to what Furthur pulls in for the arena shows.

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Poster: shakeitupnow Date: Jan 21, 2011 8:54am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: ? for all; DEAD biz model related...

speaking of 7 Walkers -- here is a nice link to stream the show I saw 12/10/10 in Fall River. It sounds great:
http://www.ncfta.org/music_archive.php
click on the "my radio" button and there it is. enjoy!
I can't stop listening to these guys.

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